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PostSubject: Cars aren't safe without TPMS according to government bureaucrats    Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:34 pm

What's the British nanny-state been up to recently? Shafting the motorist, of course. TPMS systems are now mandatory in new UK vehicles (as of 1st November, 2014). This might not sound like a big deal, but it really grinds my gears. Here's why;

Firstly, the system is pointless. Checking your own tyre pressure isn't difficult. If you can't manage it, then you're too thick to be trusted with a car anyway.

Secondly, all extra hardware (computers, sensors, wiring) costs money. The manufacturer doesn't pay for it - you do.

Thirdly, the additional hardware means more components to break and need replacing, increasing not only the purchase price, but the longer term maintenance. And no, you can't just let the sodding thing break - it's an MoT requirement that it works.

Finally, it's the principle of the matter. What if consumers don't want or need this system? Why should they be forced to have it (and pay for it) against their will? The manufacturer is doing business with the consumer, not the government, so the decision to include TPMS concerns the manufacturer and the consumer, not the government. Such legislation adds force and coercion into an otherwise peaceful and voluntary transaction, showing complete contempt for the economic liberty of both manufacturers and consumers alike.
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PostSubject: Re: Cars aren't safe without TPMS according to government bureaucrats    Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:26 am

Sure.

But most of your objections are attractions for the industry (and hence for govt, who are lobbied, and not big fans of libertarian political arguments either, since, in the limit, they'd put them out of bizniz.)

This will cost money and it'll lead to obsolescence. Both GOOD THINGS, and you can hide that with the fig leaf of greater road safety.

If it could somehow also be argued that it helped catch paedophiles and terrorists (perhaps they are notorious for low tyre pressures?), as was done for road use monitoring/charging, it'd be perfect.
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PostSubject: Re: Cars aren't safe without TPMS according to government bureaucrats    Fri May 08, 2015 8:51 am

Another irritating aspect.

I understand the US systems (naturally this crap originates in the US) enforce both a minimum and a maximum pressure, so you are essentially restricted to a fairly narrow tolerance around the manufacturers recommended (mandated) pressure.

The manufacturers recommended (mandated) pressure has generally been optimised for comfort first (since that sells cars), handling second, with fuel economy third. I have the reverse order of priorities, and generally run much higher pressures than recommended. (Currently 40 v. 30 psi).

With a TPMS I'd have to do as I'm told.

If I had a Ford TPMS I'd have to do as I'm told by the company who caused the Ford Explorer/Bridgestone tyre failure debacle.
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PostSubject: Re: Cars aren't safe without TPMS according to government bureaucrats    Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:29 pm

Came across this while looking for something else

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"On most cars, the new tyre pressure sensor requires activating and then coding to the vehicle’s on-board computer. It appears that most aftermarket tyre fitting cannot offer this service and so a main dealership visit might be the only answer."

If true, that'll be another reason for adoption, since manufacturers LOVE proprietary tech that hooks the punter to the dealership for servicing.

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PostSubject: Re: Cars aren't safe without TPMS according to government bureaucrats    Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:16 am

"The final ‘repair’ option is to disable the Tyre Pressure Monitor system completely. This can be performed on most makes and models but the procedure will require specialist diagnostic equipment, which is often the preserve of single-make specialists and main franchise dealerships."

Now ya talkin'. A one-off payment sounds better than being stuck with some government imposed nanny device.

"This option might be the cheapest one but it does carry a safety risk, in that a driver will no longer be alerted in the event of low pressure or a sudden tyre deflation."

*eye roll*

Yeah...because there was no way of telling before TPMS...
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PostSubject: Re: Cars aren't safe without TPMS according to government bureaucrats    Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:07 am

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"The final ‘repair’ option is to disable the Tyre Pressure Monitor system completely. This can be performed on most makes and models but the procedure will require specialist diagnostic equipment, which is often the preserve of single-make specialists and main franchise dealerships."

Now ya talkin'. A one-off payment sounds better than being stuck with some government imposed nanny device.


As you point out above though, that option won't be available if its mandatory, as in the UK gov's MOT.

If suppose it MIGHT be available if the system was fitted before it became mandatory, in the same way that cat's can be legally removed from some transitional-period cars.

To be fair, when I was having internyet arguments over tyre life/treatment options and such, and looking for evidence, I found surveys of the US vehicle fleet reporting fairly huge levels of underinflation. Can't remember seeing any numbers for the UK, and maybe its less of a problem there, but the US market (especially California) has long driven regulatory developments in Europe.
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PostSubject: Re: Cars aren't safe without TPMS according to government bureaucrats    Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:22 pm

Depends if the MoT tester will be able to tell the system was disabled. The legality won't matter either. If there's demand for a service, someone will offer it.
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PostSubject: Re: Cars aren't safe without TPMS according to government bureaucrats    Sat Sep 12, 2015 3:12 am

Related info: Traction control has been mandatory on all US vehicles since 2012. Dunno if thats got to Yurrup yet, but if not I'd expect its a-comin.
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PostSubject: Re: Cars aren't safe without TPMS according to government bureaucrats    Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:14 am

Came across an article that argued that the jury was now "in" on nitrogen tyre (well, tire in this context) filling because it tended to protect fragile TPMS sensors from oxidation damage.

So if N was a solution looking for a problem, as many have argued, now they've found it one.

Huzzah! (Well, Yee-ha in this context)

Thought that'd cheer you up. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Cars aren't safe without TPMS according to government bureaucrats    Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:47 pm

edlithgow wrote:
Traction control has been mandatory on all US vehicles since 2012

I think it comes from a bad upbringing.

The bureaucratic need to interfere and boss around. Not traction control.

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So if N was a solution looking for a problem, as many have argued

Myself included.

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Thought that'd cheer you up. Smile

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