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PostSubject: My specialist subject...   Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:22 pm

...when it comes to bangernomics, is Peugeot 405 turbodiesels.

It wasn't always like this. I don't do bangernomics because I have to, more because I prefer to. In 12 years of car ownership I have had my name on the V5 of 28 motors - only three have cost more than 1000, and only one was financed by means other than cash! Looking back at the list it's mainly been German and Japanese, although the French have now taken over...

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405 no.1 is my '94 GLDT saloon. First purchased June 2006 for 150, 8 months MOT & 3 months tax. Originally purchased for an emigrating friend who then decided not to have it, ran for 2 months and 3,000 miles (taking it to 177k), then sold for 350. Purchased back again in August last year for 50, 180k miles, no MOT. Went straight through, now up to 193k, 50mpg, seats and driving position more comfortable than the 2007 Saab 9-3 I previously had as a company car, great round corners. Oh, and can run on veg too.

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Cars 2 and 3 are essentially identical - '93 Hunter estates - limited editions based on the GRDT with special green paint (more on that anon), a/c & ABS.

The first one (on the left here) was acquired in March for 375, after a brief flirtation with a 250 GLDT estate which, while sporting a full ticket and 6 months' tax, had 250k up, different coloured panels and was generally tired. Sold that one to some Germans for what I paid and it's now in Morocco! This Hunter was more my sort of thing - matching paintwork for a start - but only 2 owners and a full history (including all invoices) to back up it's 176k miles.

Tragedy struck a month later when the handbrake failed and it rolled off my drive, down a slope and into a brick wall. I repaired it with secondhand panels, of different colours though and I'm no spraygun guru so the results of my painting looked OK from 10ft but not great up close!

Then the second one presented itself - 250, long MOT, perfect front end, new tyres on alloys. Couldn't resist. Has a slipping clutch, snapped handbrake cables (hmm...I leave all my cars in gear now when parked!), an oil leak from the rocker cover and bad paint on the roof, but I'm keeping it locked away for a rainy day - mainly because it only has 128k on the clock and a full Pug SH to back it up.

The picture, incidentally, was taken at 8am a few Sundays ago prior to an all-day spannering session that saw the front ends, wheels and driver's seats swapped.

I seriously rate these cars, and would even be so bold to say a 405TD estate is probably one of the best "real world" cars out there! I don't know what I'd replace them with, when they eventually die - probably a Mk1 Skoda Octavia TDI estate. But that's to get ahead of myself.

Not pictured, but just acquired (for free! Thanks, Dad) is a 2000V Honda Accord 1.8 hatchback to replace my wife's Skoda Fabia, to give us more room for our imminent 1st child. A bit bashed on the body (which is why it was free), but mechanically perfect with the fullest history I've ever seen to back up it's 115k miles. Only downside is the thirst of these cars, I ran a 2-litre auto for 3 years (longest I've ever owned a car!) but no VAG electrical issues!
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PostSubject: Re: My specialist subject...   Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:18 pm

It's a shame the Skoda has electrical issues. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is a good Skoda forum but I guess you don't need it now Very Happy I believe 1.9td is a good balance of power, economy and reliability in the Skoda range - although I own an old Skoda.

Don't know much about the Peugots but the Hunter estates look good externally Smile
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PostSubject: Super Pugs   Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:02 pm

Love your Pugs, the more I see of them the more I love them the 405 was a great car, can't say the same about the 407....keep up the good work.

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PostSubject: Re: My specialist subject...   Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:41 am

Thanks for the replies!

@anewman - yup, used Briskoda quite a bit. The Fabia has the VW 1.4 16v engine which has a reputation for burning oil due to collapsed piston rings - no such problem with ours luckily, but the engine management light used to "cry wolf" an awful lot. My in-laws have a Fabia with the Skoda OHV 1.4, and they find it the most unreliable Skoda they have owned in 20 years - the Felicia, Favorit and Estelles that preceeded it never let them down.

405s are typical Peugeot in that they just don't rust on the external panels - a combination of good design and galvanising, I think. The saloon and one of the Hunters have had a touch of welding underneath, in the same spot - inner front wheelarch behind the suspension strut - but that's it.

@admin - the 407 is an ugly machine; to my mind the last "beautiful" Peugeot was the 406 coupe. Incidentally I had a Mk1 406 saloon for a few weeks a couple of months ago, with the same 1.9TD engine - it was more refined but due to the extra weight (size and safety!) it just didn't drive as well as the 405s, so I sold it again! Handsome car though.

I will run the Pugs until they finally die, and I have run out of driveway/garage space so no more bangers for the forseeable, which is a shame! Up until now I have chopped and changed a fair bit, highlights being:

- Australian-built '93 Mitsubishi Sigma estate, the thinking man's Volvo 760 (dare I say it);
- 3-litre manual '95 Omega estate, Elite spec, surprisingly not ex-police and a real hoot until the crankshaft oil seal collapsed;
- '87 Mazda 323, beautifully-engineered little car - I did a cambelt change in little more than an hour, and I'm no expert with the spanners! No rust at all, either - great buy for 160;
- '92 Rover 420 - the square one, bought for 50, and a real sleeper with that engine;
- '78 & '79 Opel Rekords - classics, and much better than the equivalent Mk2 Granada (I know, I had a 1980 2.3V6 recently and I was disappointed - never meet your heroes!);
- '85 BMW 528i - close-ratio manual (dogleg box), LSD, M-Tech seats and suspension...it was white, and I reckon it was ex-Hampshire constabulary. Lovely wail from that straight-six but taught me a bit about oversteer;
- '84 Audi 80 quattro - that 5-cylinder engine is just THE best engine note, ever.

Righto, off to fit a towbar to the "new" Accord now - let's hope the weather holds out!

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Richard
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PostSubject: Your Bangers   Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:19 am

Peter, Super run of great cars there, I used to sell the old 528is new and the close ratio gearbox was tremendous fun.....J
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PostSubject: Re: My specialist subject...   Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:10 am

Quite a rare option I would have thought? Most E28 528is I have seen have been autos, the rest having the "overdriven" 5-speed box.

Either way, a fantastic motor vehicle. Unfortunately the DVLA car tax check website seems to indicate it hasn't been taxed for a number of years, so one assumes it has disappeared. That said, I sold it to a very enthusiastic Kiwi so there is the (slim) possibility that he took it home with him to NZ!

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PostSubject: Re: My specialist subject...   Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:18 pm

Had a guy who recently wanted to p/ex his ex-taxi 2001 406 Diesel estate with 265,000 miles up. He thought it was worth 1700, but when I said it was only worth 500 he threw a fit!

I mean, who the hell would buy it when there's so much decent stuff around for that money (the 500 and the 1700)?

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PostSubject: Auctions   Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:44 pm

Yes I was at BCA on Monday doing a story and looking at rather upmarket stuff, but then I saw an E39 525 on an S plate go for 1300....stuff is certainly very cheap indeed.
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PostSubject: Re: My specialist subject...   Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:00 pm

No brand, however well heeled, is safe from the Credit Crunch. I reckon classics are the safest place to put money on cars.

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PostSubject: Classics   Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:09 pm

Absolutely agree Kevin and that may explain why I am spending more time with my zero VED rated Mini which made it through the MOT, but this year I intend to put the original engine back in...also why when my Saab goes bang I am looking at much older stuff as what will become my back up car and just keep something fairly modern for the family. Anyone paying 10K plus on a car is a bit mental really especially when you see what they can get for so much less and get a few years wear out of, and that's cars with ABS and airbags before someone gets into the whole drive a classic that will kill you. It won't. Did that make sense? Probably not.
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PostSubject: Re: My specialist subject...   Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:27 pm

I know what you mean, James. It would seem that most motorists are 'making do' and putting off that totally unneccesary new car and either saving or spending their money on far more sensible things, like a classic. I think I did read somewhere that classic car sales are still bouyant, though classic dealers with their over optimistic prices aren't so happy.

As for the classics are unsafe thing, I don't think it'll happen. On the other hand, it could be the environmental issues that kill classics, despite the fact they make up less than, I dunno, 2% of the cars on the UK's roads, plus the fact that they're are the ultimate in recycling.

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PostSubject: Re: My specialist subject...   Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:30 pm

Also, why am I paying 185 to tax my 1981, 3,000 mile a year Princess? It should be bloody free!! Mad

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PostSubject: Rolling   Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:37 pm

Yes the 25 year should be a rolling cut off, but the politicians won't have it, I feel the same about my Landie...I reckon if you have an old car and classic policy and that you should be given the benefit of the doubt, but that won't happen sadly...
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