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PostSubject: Quietness....   Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:16 pm

....Quietness.... .... ....Quietness.... ....Quietness....

(the above is meant as a joke and NOT a complaint)

Having seen the post with regards the changes, I thought I'd start a new thread rather than post in the announcement itself, even though that post prompted this one!

It is funny I was mulling over why this type of forum should be a little quiet (while I was doing washing the dishes - exciting life). Anyway I'll just babble for a little bit because I don't know what I'm trying to say if truth be known.

There are plenty of older cars on the road, I don't know where you would draw the line for a banger definition; old or over a certain mileage, no more payments and over a certain mileage, a two year old but you intend to keep it till until fusion powered hover cars are invented. I guess the principle is the same. My arbitrary line today is say over 10 years Wink

There are plenty of people running this sort of car, and I would say a large portion probably don't consider themselves as 'Bangernomsits' (or some other word I don't know about). But, quiet often it is a case of least cost most miles. What ever the reason I think part of the battle is to change the way those drivers think about driving older cars. We will not change the view of the cars in the mass of society because manufactures, publicist, advertisers, finance houses and more want people to buy new cars. Even the Government would prefer us all driving newer cars. Allegedly it is better for the environment, but also it is good for manufacturing, (excluding MG Rover from that equation). Socially we are hypnotised into thinking New = good, Old = bad. Yet at the same time we can watch Antiques Roadshow or similar, you don't hear the specialist say 'well this Chesterfield is looking a bit faded, chop it up and use it for firewood, go to Ikea for a new one'. But a balance has to be struck. We need new cars, because they will become old. It should be that older cars are not frowned upon so much. A bit more truth about the whole environmental "footprint" of cars from Government GB and EU. From the day they are made, not just the CO2 after it has been bought.

I stopped thinking Mr & Mrs Jones were bothered about what I drive. The more people who don't hanker after the new car because there are 'supposed to', the better. There are people in debt because of their motoring habit! I no longer feel embarrassed about saying I drive a car that is 18 years old, I haven't done for a long time as well. It is surprising what conversations come out of it, at the strangest places! Sometimes you can talk to someone then they have a sort of wistful look, when they think back that driving an X or Y was actually not bad, then they go back to their modern eurobox. I'm not suggesting we go on a nostalgia trip but sometimes it is a case of reminding people.

It is a case of showing people that this type of choice is not a terrifying prospect, (because of the unknown). You don't have to be a mechanic, but some knowledge is good, but you can gain that if wanted. And nowadays tracking down parts is so much easier with the help of the interweb for individuals or your local garage. You don't have to live like Gollum, in a scrap yard looking for precious. There are more motor factors about - it seems. The list goes on.

I know things are afoot in here and we need to get behind them. It is a case of getting the principle of Bangernomics out there, so people are not just doing it themselves without realising there is a merry band of like minded people. Earlier this week I (as an individual) just happened to be listening to local radio when the presenter mentioned he drove an older German car. I text in on the stations number and mentioned it. There were two mentions of Bangernomics in that half hour. And the breakfast show the next day mentioned it as the guys colleague had talked about it the day before! I am not saying we need to stand outside No 10 or the BBC with placards, perhaps it is a case of a little here and there - often.

Anyway I've put the wooden crate that has the hand washing surfactant bars away.

Just some thoughts got get some chat going........ Very Happy






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PostSubject: Re: Quietness....   Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:38 pm

Well that was a well reasoned and intelligent post from somebody in Staffs Very Happy (just joking). I myself have fallen into the newer car trap in fact I currently have a 2006 Audi A3 on the drip drip. Mostly because it was easy eg on the doorstep, shiny and in mint condition, low miles all that stuff. I think personally I am too fussy and always looking for that diamond in the rough so I find it hard to find something cheap but decent. In actual fact I want something for nothing so maybe I am just like the rest of the populace Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Quietness....   Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:27 am

Don't think I've been called that before Smile

There will always be people out there who buy new. Convenience, potential reliability, (not Toyota at the moment then) and so on. We have to get the bangers from somewhere.

So long as our alternative is not viewed by some as the equivalent of walking around with unprocessed nuclear fuel rods in your back pocket. I.e. Highly undesirable.

The diamonds are out there, finding them can be part of the fun / or a pain if they are a bit too elusive. What I have noticed is some people are asking some silly prices for their old cars. I know they want to get as much as possible for what they have invested in, but 'everyone' knows that cars depreciate, and some more than others.

Last weekend I went on Comparing Confused Meerkats website for an idea of a quote, our insurance is due up in a few weeks and wanted to have a look so when our broker comes in with their offer we know if there are having a laugh. One of the pages asked for the value of the car. As soon as the page loaded there was an error on the page saying the value was too low - me thinks, strange I've not typed anything yet? Then I noticed in a little box next to the value field, it said something like 'this value is system generated using a current valuation from our database you can change this if required' Their minimum was 100.00 - their suggested value 80.00 Shocked Now that's depreciation Very Happy

BTW you might already know of this one: usedcarexpert.co.uk has a nice little feature for valuing cars, once you have signed up, (for free of course).

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PostSubject: Re: Quietness....   Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:28 am

I agree and i am also a bit embarrassed to say i was guilty of that got to have the next big new shiny thing,be it cars,gadgets,household appliances etc but hopefully now i am beginning to break that cycle Wink

I think part of it is they way we are conned into thinking everything old is bad Rolling Eyes

Old cars pollute more (do they really???)

Old CRT Televisions zap more wattage from the mains and push up the bills Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

We now have a super dooper LCD thin and crispy set but i haven't noticed the meter spinning more slowly or our bills decreasing Rolling Eyes

I also think in this day and age its so tiresome the confrontation when "New Reliable Items" go wrong Rolling Eyes

Oh yes we are told new is better but i never recalled when i was a child growing up in the 70's-80's consumers having to return so many faulty items No

These days when you've had something for x amount of years and you dodged buying the factory lemon that got past quality control and got a good one but inevitably said item fails oh no here we go again you think!

affraid affraid affraid

Its a nightmare id much prefer to pay for quality and keep as long as is possible and possibly repair than have most of the tat we have these days

Maybe its just me but as an adult i don't like the idiots in suits screwing our country telling me on what i can watch TV,how i can light my room and what i am allowed to drive Rolling Eyes

The saddest thing is i still see dangerous cars on the road and not necessarily bangers Rolling Eyes

But how many decent cars were crushed during the Scrappage Scheme that had plenty more useful life in them?

we are told to recycle but the same advisers are encouraging us to waste perfectly good useable items,bonkers isn't it?

As for quietness here well hopefully as we spread the word we will grow and there will be more like minded enthusiastic followers of nonconformity who refuse to be sucked in by the machine Rolling Eyes

EasternBloc can now have his soapbox back Laughing Laughing Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Quietness....   Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:10 am

Interesting topic Smile

I think there is definitely a stigma relating to older cars and there is no doubt that we live in that culture that cars are a status symbol (to those not in the know at least). The newer and shinier it is the better. And it has to be the latest registration.

When I first started in my current job I ran a 2010 Seat Ibiza as my daily and it fitted in. Every now and then I used to drop by in my 1984 Mercedes 190 and it was classed as 'a sh***y old banger'. I'm not bothered to be honest as to me it is one of the better cars I've owned (beating a lot more modern stuff). When I sold the Ibiza in the end for a 2001 Volvo V70 I got the same comments, despite the fact the Volvo was more solid, better screwed together and a better driver than the 9 years newer car that it had replaced.

But as said, there are lots of people there still running around in older vehicles, but I think the major issue is the general public's lack of knowledge relating to vehicles (i.e. mechanical knowledge - it goes to the garage to get fixed, bonnet never gets popped to check fluid levels etc) and the average joe public driver is lusting after that latest registered shiny piece of metal. Hence why the Scrappage Scheme was so successful.

Another factor is obviously increasingly accessible finance deals meaning that literally anybody with a minimum wage income can get themselves into a newish car on a pay monthly deal, something which was not as easy say 10 years ago. At that time you bought what you could afford. As a kid growing up in the 90's I remember lots of old metal being common on housing estates. You just don't see it these days.

I have a mate who has just bought (sorry, financed) a 62 plate BMW 118d M-Sport (after trading in his 3yr old BMW 118i) and he is of the frame of mind that he will always get a new car because if anything goes wrong 'the warranty will sort it and he doesn't want to have to bugger about with MOT's). Case in point that his sister took her (now 3yr old BMW 325i M-Sport) in for MOT last week and it failed on 4 bald tyres at a cost of 1000 to replace (19" runflats - not sure if they shopped around). I noticed my Merc had a bald tyre the other day and got quoted for 15 for a part worn, on visiting my local scrappy and inspecting his warehouse of tyres I picked up a Michelin with about 6mm of tread remaining.

BUT all is not lost. My other half is very much a girly girl having to have the best of everything and took a loan out to buy a white, 2 seater convertible then paid extra to have her alloys sprayed black because that is the 'in thing' yet she thinks my 190 is retro cool and any BMW from the 'round light' era is also cool, which helps as I'm a massive fan of old BMW's so that keeps me out of the doghouse, although she does acknowledge she wouldn't drive them but equally isn't ashamed to be seen as a passenger in either my Mercedes or BMW. Unlike some of my mates...
She understands my love for old cars and to be fair has seen first hand the amount of money saved when I switch from newer cars to older cars and then go back again.

You would think that the economic downturn would have turned people into more bangernomic style ways of thinking but there is still that disposable culture when it comes to cars (probably because manufacturers are working on trying to offer better finance deals, 'free' servicing etc).

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PostSubject: Re: Quietness....   Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:58 pm

Some good points made that struck a chord with me, my pals generally run around in newish stuff on the never never, but saying that tend to be very surprised by some of my old stuff, a friend had a 535id sport bmw estate, but loved my 94 530 v8 estate more lol

I think its a real shame that new cars are becoming what seems to be throw away items, made cheapy but costing the earth and with no way to look after them yourself unless you have machines worth $$$ and the brain of Brian Cox.

Diesels in particular with their DMF's, DPF's, and injectors costing $$$! Old petrol engine cars seem a lot more reliable, cheaper to run in the real world unless you do galactic mileage or have a 5.0l beast, and just a lot simpler to fix when things go wrong.

Anyway back to the ebay surfing for the next family wagon...... Thumb

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PostSubject: Re: Quietness....   Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:02 pm

Joloke wrote:
I agree and i am also a bit embarrassed to say i was guilty of that got to have the next big new shiny thing,be it cars,gadgets,household appliances etc but hopefully now i am beginning to break that cycle Wink


I'm glad you said that. Bow

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